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The
Robert Perry Sailing Anarchy Chat 5/9/05
Bob
Perry just entered
this channel
pooch692000: hey bob
Scooter: hey bob, nice
boat
Bob Perry: I'm here
and primed
Bob Perry: Ben is still,playing
with spin sizes and polars but he will be on shortly
pooch692000: so how
is this supposed to work. question asked and you answer?
Bob Perry: thanks scooter
Editor:
what'so, yall? let's get busy!
pooch692000: hey scott
Bob Perry: I have no
idea how this works but I'm certain I can wing it
Editor:
how do you know i'm scooter?
Scooter: Hey scot
Bob Perry:
Bob Perry: It said
"scooter" on your post
Editor:
just ask the queswtions, and bob will answer..
trinity: When can we
see a spec and equipment list? Website progress?ETA?
Joe S.: The Ed. posted
over the weekend that carbon spar maybe back on the agenda?
Scooter: Ed, bob, sorry
about the name (i'm a Scott too)
sweet willum: how many
ft 32 have been ordered
Bob Perry: Spec's will
have to wait awhile while we finalize design and it does look like the
spar will be carbon and this WILL NOT increase price of boat
EWS:
What kind of Spinnaker Pole seal are you considering
5359:
Question about raising the keel, can this be done while underway (say
to a slip)?
Bob Perry: Orders as
of this morning, not counting those "on the way" stand at 27
pooch692000: wow nice
what about shipping it? two pieces?
jimbot: Any ordered
for Puget Sound area?
trinity: are you making
the spar or sending that out? to a local company?
Bob Perry: No you cannot
raise the keel underway
Bob Perry: spar will
be made in China at the factory
Scooter: Bob, give
your view of the type of performance and design overview
Boathouse: Bob, how
far along are you towards final design 70%-90%??
abc123: What is the
likelyhood of having the head aft of the vberth?
Bob Perry: Yes, we
have at least one order for Puget Sound
Joe S.: Do the Chinese
have facilities to build an autoclaved section or would this be, say vac.
bagged over a mandrel?
pooch692000: what will
total draft be now?
Bob Perry: Spar may
be in two pieces for shipping with splice near the deck but we have not
finailized it yet. That's an important area and I don't want to gues on
it
Bob Perry: No autoclave
trinity: Spar-pultrusion?
Bob Perry: My overview
is a fast boat bot not to Melges level of performance. We do not want
to require an eight man crew for racing.
pooch692000: how about
one topic at a time with ? related to that . this could get ugly if we
go to far all ove the place lol
Bob Perry: Spar will
be built in female molds
pooch692000: what woudl
total crew be with helmsman?
pooch692000: Helmsman
4?
Bob Perry: Just a quick
thanks to everyone who has participated in this project it has been really
satisfying to see the support
Scooter: what would
be the design sweetspot windspeed?
pooch692000: 4 even
Bob Perry: crew of
6 including helmsman
4Jessy: under 1200lb?
Editor:
it should five including helmsman
pooch692000: did we
decide on V berth optional or not?
Bob Perry: we still
are talking about the carbon spar. WE want to do it but we have some areas
of concern that need to be solved. so for now just figure alu and keep
your fingers crossed
pooch692000: agrees
with ed
pooch692000: 4 plus
helmsman even better
Bob Perry: we have
a v berth and this morning I moved the head aft and to port
Editor:
maybe...
4Jessy: Fast in light
air may need crew weight in havy air
EWS:
good call on the v-berth and head location
Bob Perry: exact crew
number will be decided by the group doing the rules
Boathouse: Carbon Spar
would be ah so 21st century....
abc123: like the idea
of the v-berth and toilet to port...
Christian: Alsolooks
like a great boat to doublehand
pooch692000: perfect
on head and v berth. will v berth be permanent?
Bob Perry: Yep, that
head location I drew was not too popular
buda. p.: hello! any
orders from europe till now?
'6bob: expect del of
1st boat?
hobot: so the boat
really is still a "work in progress?"
jsoup: Any chance of
ramp launchable?
abc123: would this
boat be a good boat for doublehanding?
Bob Perry: I don't
think we can do ramp launch but I wouldn;t count it out just yet
pooch692000: ho farr
will keel go up when retracted?
Bob Perry: Yes, you
can double hand it if you know what you are doing and are willing to forego
the extra stability
jimbot: electrical
- 1 battery with trickle charge from outboard? What kind of instruments
are you going to support?
pooch692000: and how
will it be done?
Christian: Will you
add some sort of keel lift gantry?
EWS:
how will the bow pole seal?
Bob Perry: Keel will
retract with about 36" left out if we keep it within the coachroof.We
are goint to try to take thekeel thru thefcoachroof so it is fullt retractable
Bob Perry: I can't
type for shit!
Bob Perry: lip seal,
two of them
pooch692000: like a
trip 26?
pooch692000: the keel
goes up through coachroof
Boathouse: Hey Ed are
you going to post this whole dialog somewhere later?
Bob Perry: I don't
know about the tripp
Christian: Fully retractable
would be great - wastly improves trailering
Editor:
we'll try....
5359:
Does the keel strut have a large taper to the bulb?
Christian: Hey BJ -
selling the bendytoy?
'6bob: Estimated del
date of 1st boat????
pooch692000: agrees
with christian. would love to beb able to bring keel up a bit getting
into creeks and harbors with littel draft.
Bob Perry: We will
do our best to make the boat trailerable
buda. p.: are there
orders from europe(esp. the med)?
Bob Perry: First boat
will be within 6 mos. but that boat will stay in CHINA yard now building
the plug and will build two sets of molds
sweet willum: FIRST
F.T. IN THE WATER IN CHINA 5 MONTHS
'6bob: Any interest
from Long Island sound
Bob Perry: don't know
about european orders
pooch692000: can you
get one to the annapolis show?
Bob Perry: talk to
clewless about where boats are going help me clewless!!!!
pooch692000: woul dbe
great for all to see and might get a few more buyerrs too
Clewless: I recall
two or three already for LIS
pooch692000: one to
eastern LI (NY)
Bob Perry: Hey Alex!
Christian: 1 here to
CT - Westport
Cariad:
Hey Bob
MDD: any Great Lakes
buyers?
Cariad:
You think the flying tiger will be able to keep up with Cariad?
Cariad:
Bruce:
#16 to Lahaina
Christian: I think
another guy from CPYC is sriously considering too
Cariad:
<grin>
EWS:
how will the keel be constructed?
pooch692000: 24 deposits
still the number so far?
Boathouse: If first
boat will be in China in 5 months I would think it would be hard to get
it to Annapolis by early October
Bob Perry: Maybe, if
the conditions are right. You know those V-40's are fast in a breeze
Bob Perry: keel to
be type 50 welded steel with lead bulb
trinity: with 27 orders
anap is not needed
Christian: So Bob -
keel lift gantry?
oldskool: any orders
with carbon spar??
Bob Perry: I am being
very conservative with del;ivery times. We could have the first boat in
three mos.
Bob Perry: gantry to
be internal at this stage
Bob Perry: We are working
now on getting space for Annapolis but they do not have any out of the
water spots available
sweet willum: BOB,
3 MONTHS, NO WAY!!!!
ben: The keel will
be a welded steel frame w/ an attached lead bulb, leading and trailing
edges will be glassed in.
Wino: 3 Months!! Please
take your time...don't rush it!
sweet willum: ANNAPOLIS
2006!!
Editor:
is that ben from bob perry's office?
Clewless: Bob, how
is the mast splicing design going?
Bob Perry: There is
not much to building this boat once the tooling is complete
pooch692000: would
love to have a kee lift that sits on coach roof and can be engaged while
under slow sail or motor. Look at the TRipp 26 for a reference
Bob Perry: 2005!
Scooter: Where in China
will it be built. (i travel there often)
Bob Perry: no work
on spar splice yet. That is still down the line for us.
Bob Perry: Xiamen
Bob Perry: will check
out the Tripp
Scooter: anychance
of a drop by?
logan: swing keel?
logan: what?
o69u812: Did ED ask
for a special rudder???
trinity: Vinylester
and gel coat? or ...
Bob Perry: Maybe you
would have to talk to Bill. He's sensitive about owners in yards and I'm
sure he would not want any lookyloo's that were not owners at the yard.
oldskool: and a bigger
tiller
chris in sc: I like
the idea of pseudo shoal draft with the lifting keel. I wonder about stability
Editor:
o69u812: Did ED ask for a special rudder???
logan: annapolis is
packed
Bob Perry: shoal draft
and performance?
Christian: Did you
put any thought into maybe extending the prod for better seperation from
the main when sailing deep?
o69u812: :-))
crackers: carbon mast
and boom - at some point or at all?
Joe S.: Is the spar
still keel-stepped? Is the splice for shipping purposes only - in other
words: stick to be permanently assembled after delivery?
Bob Perry: no swing
keel, too big a slot
ben: trinity, yes the
hull and deck will be vinyester and gelcoated
Editor:
o69u812: :-)) - dick!
chris in sc: Safety
while sailing with keel part way or all the way up - righting etc
oldskool: please do
not offer shoal draft!!! The ches. bay will be full of them
o69u812: 10-4
oldskool: deep keel
and the bay will be fine
mike hunt: Bob - how
fast can you type?
Bob Perry: I have no
specific answers for the spar as too many items are still up in the air.
To be conservative think of it as alu, keel stepped with a splice
chris in sc: funny
oldskool, lots of customers there
Bob Perry: really fast
but incredin;y inaccerate
Duncan: hah
ben: Joe, yes the splice
is for shipping only
north: what sails have
been specified
Bob Perry: I hate shoal
draft boats
Christian: Amen
Joe S.: Thanx, Ben!
pooch692000: what does
one do upon delivery with mast?
oldskool: just want
the "good version of the boat" to be the one that's there.
Bob Perry: it's a three
sail inventory
north: shoal draft
does suck
trinity: 40' standard
conatiner? or high?
chris in sc: I do to,
but if you can have both acceptably, then why not?
jethro: sorry if a
repeat - what deposit are y'all asking?
Bob Perry: You ste
the mast with a hoist at this stage
north: 3 sail, ok
pooch692000: still
non opverlapping I hope? or 125% at most
Bob Perry: $1,000 will
hold a hull number for a year, fully refundable in a Wells Frago Trust
account
Bob Perry: Non overlapping
for one design
pooch692000: great
EWS:
3 Point Lifting?
jethro: shit, done!
north: 1 year maximum
hold
Christian: Most lift
keel boats cannot sail with the keel partially retracted without damaging
both the keel and keel box
Bob Perry: 40' container
but the aAfricans can get 45' containers so we are loking itno that
chris in sc: I forget.
Self-tacking jib?
oldskool: hope not
Bob Perry: Keel must
be all the way down for sailing
chris in sc: Thanks
Christian...
Bob Perry: no self
tackig jib
pooch692000: was thining
just while inder motor getting into harbors with little draft. At7'6"
will be tought for me locally
Bob Perry: probably
single point lifting, maybe
north: what is speed
displacement ratio
Wino: can the keel
be raised for motoring into harbor?
oldskool: pooch, kinda
like the andrews 38, good idea
Christian: I assume
the keel will have wedges locking it into the keel box when down?
Bob Perry: Draft is
a personal problem and we cannot accomodate that into the overall design
requirements. I'm sorry but it doesn't fit the boat we have in mind.
pooch692000: understood
Bob Perry: keel will
wedge down, correct
north: what is keel
housing like
Scooter: Website updates????
Reemul: Lifting sytem
like an S2 7.9?
chris in sc: If you
use a constand foil shape for the top 2-3' of keel spar maybe integrity
can be maintained
north: through hull
opening
EWS:
will the price include cordage?
ME: what sails will
come with the stock boat? Who is the sailmaker? what if I want to get
sails from another source?
Bob Perry: we have
not worked out the keel lifting system yet
Bob Perry: we are talking
to severa;l sailmakers
north: better be north
sails
Christian: Will the
keel box and keel be properly coated with barrier coat so in water storage
is no problem?
Bob Perry: You can
get your sails anywhere if they meet class regs
Reemul: I heard Niel
Pryde
Bob Perry: yes, good
idea, box will be coated
Bob Perry: Neil Pryde
was one of the first sailmakers to respond with a price
north: oh ok
KELPCOWBOY: are there
any draft class rules as yet or are you going to leave those details up
to the new owners?
north: he is good
north: one design rules
yet?
Bob Perry: Don't go
away mad North we are not excluding any sailmakers
Duncan: are you going
to race one?
Bob Perry: Clewless
has been on the rules
north: sure sure
north: i just work
there
Bob Perry: Annapolis
in 2006, that's better
Boathouse: Clewless,
post a draft of the rules....
chris in sc: Carbon
fiber ruddershafts?
ME: So are we talking
main, #1, #2, #3, spin, or what with the stock boat?
EWS:
What type of outboard lifting system are you considering?
Bob Perry: 3 sails,
jib main and spin
Bob Perry: vertical
tracks to lift outboard
ME: what size jib?
Scooter: cool on lift
outboard...nice touch
Bob Perry: holy shit!
Joe S.: Outboard rudder
- no shaft.
fan: Will class rules
alolow more sails or just the three?
schnick: ME: read the
rest before repeating q's...
Bob Perry: You know
good old bob perry from Seattle
Bob Perry: three sails
only for one design got to keep it sheap to be compoetitive
north: yeah bobby
bz: Do you expect the
price to hold for a number of years, or will it go up quickly after setting
up the first fleets?
Reemul: 1 new sail
per year
Bob Perry: anarchy?
what does that mean?
Boathouse: ah is this
chat room self imploding??
Bob Perry: don't think
we have limited new sails yet, Clewless?
Chip Vollers: hey bob,
the FT32 would have smoked the fleet in Race to the Straitrs this weekend...
One FIfty: Why does
Ed get an all Carbon hull?
Editor:
pleaseremember: you guys are weird - DUDE GET LOST
Joe S.: It happens
;-)!
Duncan: cmon dude
Bob Perry: No let him
stay, he's funny
Clewless: we're still
deciding
Cariad:
Bob there is some discussion of taking the TP52 type box rules and "downsizing"
to make it affordable - thoughts on that?
sweet willum: NO GUARENTEES
ON PRICE FOR YEARS. WHO'S THE DREAMER!!
north: who are these
guys talking filthy
north: kick them off
Scooter: Bob, what
is your all time favorate design?
Bob Perry: no thought
son the TP 52 rule yet but with our contaner we are the ultimate box rule
schnick: How does the
overall "shape" of this boat compare to your other recent perf. boats,
such as Icon/Stealth Chicken etc.? Looks quite differrent, but that could
just be freeboard due to container size?
Cariad:
Seems like it could be a very cool forum for designers to duel and to
push the innovation envelope outside of AC/VOR forums
Bob Perry: My all time
favorite design is either OCEANUS by Garden or Carina by Rhodes
True Lies: ultimate
box rule too funny!!!!!
EWS:
what's it rate? what type of boat would you expect similar performance
characteristics?
north: screw off money
man
Bob Perry: shape not
like CHICKEN at all, harder in the bilge and more narrow aft more of an
all round shape than a downwind shape
Cariad:
yep, if it fits in the box
o69u812: and your Bob
H
hobot: your "meridian"
design will always be one of my faves
o69u812: which one
chris in sc: Bob, what
do think about the swinging keels and daggerboards?
Cariad:
that's a great rule. The "container" rule.
Bob Perry: we have
no rating target we only have a quest for the most speed frpom the product
crazyrc88:
wow thats a lot of people
north: so bob, 1000
will hold a hull number, when does production start
Cariad:
That is a great, great answer. Just make it fast.
jimbot: Have you started
on electrical design?
Bob Perry: I like daggerboards
but I have no experience with swing keels. I'd like to though
ME: I remember reading
in one of the threads about a $3000 credit for sails. So are we talkning
dacron sails at best as part of the class rules?
True Lies: bob, surely
you have a ballpark on targets
Crazee:
Have you finalised an outboard solution?
Bob Perry: electrical
design, can you say "flashlight"
fan: Just don't advertise
that as the design brief or PHRF will have your rating pre-determined
ala Farr 36
DriverEd: so there
seems to be traction in SD - anywhere else
Bob Perry: actually
all lights will be our own prorietary LED's
jimbot: No instruments
then?
Boathouse: Flashlight
= KISS
north: i will fuck
you hard
Bob Perry: typical
of north
computer6: billy b
chris in sc: I have
to go. Thanks bob.
sweet willum: RUNNING
AND INTERIOR LIGHTING WILL BE "LED"
Bob Perry: instruments
will be left to owner, right Clewless?
Bob Perry: my pleasure
Cariad:
is rigging rod, wire, or high modulus fiber?
north: i agree
Bob Perry: thanks boss
jethro: when will newest
drawing be released?
Clewless: yes , owners
can go nuts with electronics...
miltwempley: will most
people be dry sailing or leaving in the water?
dj: Any organizational
support planned for fleet building
concept boy: Hi Bob,
Bob Perry: I can relae
latest drawing this afternoon, with new window and new head location
Editor:
i'm keeping mine in the water - easy for family sailing.
fan: Yeah SA
Clewless: org is being
planned
Bob Perry: no fleet
organization yet but talk to clewless about that
pooch692000: in water
if i an find new slip
Editor:
bob - send them to me!!!
True Lies: Can the
boats be barrier coated on the bottom
Cariad:
you should put it on your website
Bob Perry: maybe
Scooter: get the pic's
up....
synergy: so clewless
is doing class rules?
Christian: I'm either
wet sailing mine or a boat lift in the slip
pooch692000: me too
you got my grand
pooch692000: lol
miltwempley: bottom
paint, or just barrier?
jimbot: Ed - please
post when you get them
concept boy: thanks
for taking the time to answer the questions. how "fair "will the foils
be leaving the factory?
pimps573: is
my
zanderjf: yeah, some
official information on a formal website would be great
Bob Perry: In over
30 years in this business, 37 in all, I have never, ever seen anything
like this
pooch692000: do you
plan on launchign a website soon?
jethro: have you gotten
any deposits from SF?
synergy: anybody from
milwaukee want to go in on one?
Bob Perry: Ypou cannot
imagine how good the Chinese are at high tolerance, hand detailing foils
will be better than good
Bob Perry: there is
an unoffgicial web site now check SA threads
Duncan: how many are
on order/deposit?
4Jessy: 27
crackers: looks great
around the buoys, what about short or singlehanding?
synergy: make it 28
Scooter: a fast boat
for 40k could be a market changer
Duncan: sweet
Bob Perry: 27 boats
on order as of this morning with more deposits "in the mail"
concept boy: so, will
the average sailor be needing a 10k$ bottom job from waterlines?
synergy: i will check
out the site for more info
Clewless: no thanks
Bob Perry: thanks syn
we won;t let you down
EWS:
lets get the word out and encourage people to send their J-24's to the
graveyards and replace the spot with the FT
o69u812: Did anyone
ask for a convertable option???
pooch692000: is there
a site yet?
Boathouse: Class rules
want allow $10K bottom jobs
synergy: i agree
Boathouse: thats won't
allow
AST69: Pooch,Flip says
send him 1K for a deposit and we'll match race
AST69: when not fleet
racing
bec: i know you have
mentioned no dealers, anything in place to keep a dealer from buying several
boats in an unofficial arrangement?
Clewless: no 10k bottom
jobs period
Chip Vollers: bob,
how is the v-berth option looking in the latest design?
pooch692000: what up
ast
jimbot: No convertables,
but I heard they're going to turbo charge it
Christian: regarding
the head - any option of not getting the head and more importantly the
associated thry hulls?
Joe S.: Definitely
against extensive fairing jobs
'sup, yo: oops..sorry...didn't
mean to clog the chat room with system msgs...just trying to figure out
how to navigate :-)
True Lies: bob, for
boat in the water can they be factory barrier coated?
fan: Is that "no" as
in Farr 40 "no" or is it really no
zanderjf: are we still
talking about split backstays and lots of roach?
pooch692000: hey
Bob Perry: the v berth
remains the same but the head moves just aft of it and off to port
Boathouse: no head
no thru hulls = no one-design
Bob Perry: split backstay
for now and lots of roach but we will see????
Chip Vollers: nice
move on the head...
hobot: are all thru
hulls in one location?
sirstopher: what size
of head room down below
EWS:
christian just leave it in for resale value
Bob Perry: barrier
coating seems do-able but I have to talk to the boss. foir now assume
yes.
Bob Perry: headroom
is 56"
Bob Perry: thanks Chip,
I do it just for you
ME: Back to sails.
Can owners use hi tech sail materials and will the stock sails be hi tech
too?
4Jessy: that is not
a lot of head room
Chip Vollers: u r too
damn sweet bob
Bob Perry: stock sails
will be les than high tech and no high tech sails will be allowed for
one design the key is
Bob Perry: KEEP THE
PRICE DOWN
Boathouse: 4Jessy its
a Sport Boat not a Cruising Boat
Chip Vollers: u should
do the Port Townsend race...fun party sat night...
Bob Perry: no high
tech sails for one design
ME: Thay really makes
sense
ben: and need to fit
in a container
Bob Perry: talk to
Ben chip, his boat is up there
sirstopher: It nice
to see that you are making a great boat for a low cost it should build
the class very nice
zanderjf: when you
say no hi tech, do you mean dacron, or somthing a little more in keeping
with the medium tech design
4Jessy: so is it like
a J80 down lelow BOAT HOUSE?
Bob Perry: Ben my engineer
is now on so,,,give him hell
Chip Vollers: i will...too
bad the wind shut down sunday
EWS:
are we talking Pentex?
Duncan: laminates?
trinity: smoked pen
maybe???
'6bob: I disagree,
high tech sails sould be allowed their not much $$ if you limit the inventory
Bob Perry: talk to
clewless about current state of sail fabrics allowed
Editor:
i think since the boat is cheap, the sails should be more hi tech - more
fun.
Chip Vollers: j/80's
have no head, no sink and no cooktop
Christian: Ed - have
to agree
Chip Vollers: but the
v-berth is HUGE
-zanderjf:
I like nicer sails too
'6bob: j/80's suck
Bob Perry: we want
as high tech an inventory as possible while keeping the price down. Sgit
I have high tech sails on my cryising boat!
trinity: Hull cored?
Core material? thickness?
fan: Save that kind
of talk for PHRF ED.
Chip Vollers: and the
headroom will be more on the FT32
Clewless: we discussed
limited cost sails materials
ME: If the sails are
hi tech I can easily see exceeding the $3000 allowance.
'6bob: how about a
class website
Wally:
Expain more about the back stay status.. Split???
trinity: interior finish?
abc123: the main idea
keep the price down.. sails included...
Editor:
sails: i'm going to adament about them being pretty wide open in terms
of materials. shit, that is half the fun - nobody wants to look at some
god dman dacron sails!
Bob Perry: sail makers
are very eager tyo et on board thois project sop don;t be surprised if
we see high tech sails at a low price
Bob Perry: split backstay
for now
ben: The back stay
will be split to acomodate the tiller
4Jessy: got to go to
work thanks for your time
sweet willum: INTERIOR
FINISH IN VELCRO
chris morlan: I am
sure the $3000 allowance is much less than what a good set of US built
sails will cost, even if not high tech.
Cariad:
bob I'm down one for my Swiftsure crew if you want a comfy ride (long
course). Brand new sails too.
Bob Perry: interior
finish will be,,,,,, white, yeah, that;s it.
pooch692000: love my
kevlar square topped main
Joe S.: 105's allowing
Kevlar jibs this year - aramid same $ as Pentex.
EWS:
ED- Not everyone is friends w/ Gary
Bob Perry: CARIAD is
a happy ship and great ride if it blows
Cariad:
Gotta jet now but thanks for taking the time. Sounds like a good time,
it'll be awesome to see the fleet development.
Clewless: limit the
cost, not the technology
ME: My point exactly
regarding the $3000 allowance. What will I have to spend to be competative
in my new FT10 when it arrives?
Impact: Interior idea:
Consider cloth hanging lockers like the Laser28
zanderjf: i like that
clewless
Bob Perry: I'd go but
I'd have to leave the fish waiting for me for the weekend and I can't
do that.
sirstopher: What kind
of core material are you going to use
Cariad:
Naw man, we can throw out a trolling line if you want.
jimbot: Gotta go. Thanks
Bob. Ed we need to do this again.
Bob Perry: Ideally
your FT will arrive, in the box, competitive. that;'s the whole idea
chris morlan: Foam
core (saw that somewhere)
o69u812: me too thx
Bob
EWS:
so the package will include all cordage?
sweet willum: BOB,
SOME OF THE GUYS ON THIS THREAD NEED TO BE PUT IN A BOX
sirstopher: Have you
done any model testing on the hull design
Bob Perry: Swiftsure?
sitting on the rail asking myself over and over "why am I here,,,,again?"
ailing Pro Shop: LOL
ben: The core will
be PVC foam or airlite foam
trinity: Core sourced
in China? I have had bad luck with that
ME: Sure that is the
idea, but if I have to compete with Ed and his top of the line sails,
won't I need to buy new sails as soon as it arrives?
Bob Perry: no model
testing but plenty of VPP's
J24Soup: Bob - Know
it's sprinkled throughout Anarchy, but have you pulled together something
that summarizes the target user/concept, and some preliminary spec sheets?
IE, a "product brief" if you will.
Chip Vollers: i'm with
u bob...
Bob Perry: computer
models yes
sweet willum: HELP
ben: No hull testing
just VPP analysis
Bob Perry: all cordage
included? yes
Duncan: so is the FT
the end product of the anarchy 30?
chris morlan: Bob,
Any thoughts about reducing draft? 7.6 ft really limits the boat geographically.
Sailing Pro Shop: I
have a couple of questions that may have already been asked (Hope that
is okay)
Sailing Pro Shop: When
are the current orders scheduled for delivery?
Chip Vollers: Ben,
how do the polars compare to a Thompson 30?
trinity: next project?
Or are u 2 busy to even dream about next?
Clewless: no shoal
draft please
Scooter: no shoal...
Bob Perry: the target
brief was a great round the bouiys boat for competitive sailers who wanted
to do it easy and opn the cheap withoput needing to round upoa crew of
8 and spending oodles on a sail inventory
Bob Perry: magig fingers?
where di you go?
EWS:
answer to shoal draft questions.......move to a new area
Bob Perry: no shoal,
say it ten times
Clewless: i have hull
#8 and looks like next March
d'ranger: 7' or 7'2"
works for Galveston Bay.,
Sailing Pro Shop: for
hulls 20-30?
Sailing Pro Shop: when>
johnp: If this all
works out will there be more in the "line" like a FT 30'
Sailing Pro Shop: approx
Christian: d'r - fill
in more water
Sailing Pro Shop: I'd
love to help promote a product through our store (No I don't want to sell
them)
trinity: 3' works for
St lucie inlet in Stuart Florida
Bob Perry: more like
a FT 40 but the boss told me never to say that
sweet willum: NO SHOAL
DRAFT, NO SHOAL DRAFT, DON'T WORRY CLEWLESS
Sailing Pro Shop: but
want to make sure that the class can get critical mass quickly
Bob Perry: no dealers
pro shop that would just increase the cost but you are very welcome to
help
sirstopher: Unoffical
website Where is this located
ben: with global warming
draft will no longer be a problem
Scooter: what would
the ft40 be like (if it existed)
Bob Perry: no shoal
draft, say it, say it, say it again
zanderjf: yes, that
is my big concern, even if the first 50 get sold quickly, is the prive
going to rise after that and limit expansion
zanderjf: 'scuse me,
price
Bob Perry: don't get
me sarted on the 40. It does not exist.
trinity: need shoal
draft get a multi!!
Bob Perry: price fopr
the 10 meter is complete 39,500 for first 50 boats
bec: just not aware
of any glaciers melting into the great lakes
Scooter: ok, we believe
you, but if it did....???
chris morlan: I don't
think 7 feet is really shoal draft on a 32 ft boat.
Clewless: then order
now...
sweet willum: UNCLE
BOB. GOING TO BREAK YOUR FINGERS
Sailing Pro Shop: Bob:
Totally agree on dealers
ME: what will the price
for hull 51 be?
Sailing Pro Shop: and
price
sailman: Are the layout
options and interior options going to be limited to keep it OD, unlike
JBoat models?
zanderjf: I mean for
the later boats
zanderjf: second and
third runs
Bob Perry: Please Uncle
Willum make the bad man stop!
Clewless: even the
melges prices go up every year...
Bob Perry: no interior
options, none
JohnS: Sorry if this
has already been asked and answered. What is the target crew weight?
Scooter: come on ,
just a previdw of the ft40...please
ME: how about some
specifics on the harken hardware?
ben: its a question
of rising water temp. water will expand risign the level of all bodies
of water.
Editor:
WHERE IS - is that you petey??
sailman: good call!
Bob Perry: answer him
clewless please
sweet willum: OPTIONS,
NONE!
Sailing Pro Shop: From
a liability standpoint ,...how as a manufacturer do you ensure the boat
is rigged properly>?
WHERES IT: WHO DE BEST
MY BROTHER
Bob Perry: Scooter,,,Stop
it!
Scooter: clewless,
please let bob loose...please
ben: as we stand now
max. crew weight is aprox 1080lbs
Clewless: Crew wt -
5 or 6 max
Bob Perry: WE have
"our man" at the factory who is as good a racer as any of you and that
man sure does know boats
pooch692000: well gotta
go. thanks bob and ed for putting this on
PDG: Mast. Aluminum?
Carbon? some of each?
bec: i thought that
was called humidity
Joe S.: ? for Bill
S: can a hull # in the first 50 be ordered sequence? In other words even
if #28 is next in line, could a specific later # be reserved?
Bob Perry: first 6'
alu next 3.5' carbon. next for feet alu etc.
zanderjf: haha
Bob Perry: Rig specifics
will come later
zanderjf: go to the
bottom of the forum, been discussed a couple of times
Christian: Bob - can
you talk a little about how warranty works for this boat -
Bob Perry: how did
you know Bill was here? If he really is.
J24Soup: Think we re-hashing
a lot of the same questions, which is cool, but think either an unofficial
website, or a prelim product brochure would be handy. Would like to check
in weekly on what's it look like now, etc.
Chip Vollers: gelcoat
warranty?
trinity: warranty-yes
talk about that!!!
sweet willum: ONE CLIENT
ALREADY ASKED FOR HULL #33 AND WE GAVE IT TO HIM
Bob Perry: don't know
how the warrantee works but from what I have sen from this yard so far,
and I have done many boats with them, warrantee issues wiull be almost
non exsitant
Chip Vollers: easy
to fix those blisters, just pack it back in the container and send to
China...
trinity: Had really
Really bad luck with Chinese Gel coat what do u warranty on that?
fan: thanks Bob and
Ed. gotta go
Bob Perry: you guys
just can;t imagine the quality that this yard can and dsoes produce on
aregular basis
sirstopher: Ed - Can
we get a fourm just on the FT10
sailnz: I second J24Soup's
motion...
Joe S.: assumed uit
was sweet william - guess I was wrong.
Clewless: godd idea
Chip Vollers: sirs:
it already exists, two in fact...
Bob Perry: I'm not
saying. You may be right.
hobot: MUST HAVE BEEN
NICE TO FIND THE YARD
trinity: forum yes!!
zanderjf: where?
Christian: Hey Bob
- I trust you on the quality - but there can always be issues
Bob Perry: that's why
we keep the yard secret.
Chip Vollers: did the
"break ur fingers" quote tip u off?
Joe S.: Guess I WAS
right, thanx Bill.
Christian: What about
obtaining spares?
Bob Perry: yes
sirstopher: Sailing,
Sportbaot, General, Crew, Classifieds, FT10
Bob Perry: spare what's?
DB: Can you post polars?
EWS:
will their be "factory" support / parts available down the road. Replacement
Mast etc...?
hobot: interior pieces
built at same yard?
ME: Out of the $39500
how much do you have in your budget for hardware?
Christian: Like rudder
blades, rigs etc.
sweet willum: UNCLE
BOB'S ACHATTER BOX
Bob Perry: no problem
in the yard providing support they are one of the partners in the project
Bob Perry: all work
done at yard
hobot: what other known
boats have they produced?
Chip Vollers: just
as easy to get from china as it is from Rhode Island...maybe faster even
Editor:
you guys want an FT forum?
sirstopher: it would
be nice to have everything in one place to follow along
Scooter: yes on forum
trinity: Bob, you are
great thanks for the time. Ed- post copy of dis when finished plz
zanderjf: yes
sirstopher: You own
one I dont see why not
Clewless: Cool
Bob Perry: polars will
be posted when we are confident they are truly representative of ecaxtly
what the boat will be. I do not want to post any BS.
Christian: Will there
be some sort of spares in the US so one doesn't have to get parts from
China
Joe S.: Yes - seperate
FT forum would be great
Chip Vollers: Ed, don't
they know about the thread on the forum so far?
Chip Vollers: good
un ya bob
Bob Perry: It's noon
and time for my walk around Greenlake, can I go?
sweet willum: RE SPARES.
IF WE THINK NECESSARY THEN THERE WILL BE SPARES.
ME: no
Scooter: Bob, how did
this project start?
Chip Vollers: http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17648&st=50
Christian: Yeah - thanks
a million Bob
True Lies: cheers bob
DB: Thanks Bob
hobot: thanks bob
sirstopher: I dont
want to search for a thread I want a fourm on the boat
Duncan: thanks bob
& good luck!
Editor:
one more question for bob...
J24Soup:
Clewless: Thx Bob,
Bill
jethro: gracias Bobby
ME: Don't mean to be
pushy, bu t how about some answers to my questions?
EWS:
Thanks Bob.....
Bruce:
mahalo bob
Chip Vollers: thanks
bob, have a pleasant walk
Scooter: Thanks for
the time Bob!!
sailnz: Thx Bob, really
appreciate all your efforts...
Joe S.: Thanx B&B
Burnsy: have a good
walk, we'll just keep bugging you in the forums anyway
mylar: go have a shing
hi cervasas
louie: What's the fin
made of?
Bob Perry: Scooter:
the project started as a gleam in Bill's eye he can do whatever he wants
he does not need another boat poroject in fact he doesn't need to work
but he is thetype that like to keep active and he enjhoys the challenge
of seeing demanding projects
redboat: Good luck
Bob! Really hope you guys pull this off. The sport needs it. Thanks for
the chat forum ED.
Editor:
that's it - thanks everybody - we'll post the transcpt tonight - warts
and all!
Burnsy: an archive
of this chat session would be nice
Bob Perry: come together
and on top of that he's a long time sailor who gets his kicks from boats
'sup, yo: ha
MDD: Thanks Bob
'sup, yo: thanks dudes
Burnsy: great, later.
mike hunt: Thanks,
Bob - P.S. can I borrow $39500?
WHERES IT: THANKS ED
d'ranger: great job
Bob - thanks for including all of us.
Chip Vollers: Thanks
Scott, this was fun
MBob Perry:
thanks ed, I'm outahere
Editor:
me tto - out.
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